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Manga style or Realism style

Postby Rouche » August 19th, 2012, 9:23 am

Ive been wondering for years now.
What style should I do my comic in?

Im very good for my age at realism.However im horrible at drawing manga.
I dont see many comics here that have a realism style to it :<
Im quite worried beacuse Im not sure if my comic will get any feedback if its realism style.

I really want to be able to draw manga but...

When I started manga a phew years ago it completly ruined my realism.I wasnt able to draw a human probaly without all the porportions incorrectly done.And Im mainly working on this comic beacuse I want to improve at my anatomy.So..

Should I do manga or realism for my comic?

(note-The comic setting Is quite emotial but has alot of comdey,fighting )
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby xkrazydog » August 19th, 2012, 9:27 am

Then draw in realism?
if you draw a comic that's leaning more to "realism" then go for it.People like and appreciate GOOD comics and GOOD Art.
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby eishiya » August 19th, 2012, 9:31 am

Stylize your realism. /thread

But seriously, don't force yourself to draw in a manga style just because it's common. If anything, having an uncommon style might draw in the plethora of readers who are tired of seeing manga-inspired comics everywhere xP People don't read manga-style comics because they're manga-style, they read them because it's a style they can readily understand and because that's what's given to them. If you have a well-made comic that's not manga-esque, that's perfectly fine.

However, don't draw your comic in a completely realistic style unless the story calls for it. Not only will it look "off", it'll also take much longer to draw. Learn to stylize your work consistently, so that it reads more immediately/clearly than realism, and so that you can draw it more quickly.

Of course, I'm not even sure what you mean by "realism." Your dA is empty, and I suspect we might be talking about different things...
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby Annausagi2 » August 19th, 2012, 9:32 am

eishiya took the words out of my mouth :,3

I personally prefer a comic with a bit more realism in the art (something I'm trying to do in my own comic :,3), and if you feel that's what you're good at - go for it.
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby HanaYume » August 19th, 2012, 9:37 am

I don't think it matters. As long as your story is good and your art is not amazingly terrible, it really makes no difference.

I started off drawing with a very manga style. It still wavers, but it's more realistic than some manga styles (I hope.). So, whatever feels best to you.
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby Rouche » August 19th, 2012, 9:53 am

eishiya wrote:Stylize your realism. /thread

But seriously, don't force yourself to draw in a manga style just because it's common. If anything, having an uncommon style might draw in the plethora of readers who are tired of seeing manga-inspired comics everywhere xP People don't read manga-style comics because they're manga-style, they read them because it's a style they can readily understand and because that's what's given to them. If you have a well-made comic that's not manga-esque, that's perfectly fine.

However, don't draw your comic in a completely realistic style unless the story calls for it. Not only will it look "off", it'll also take much longer to draw. Learn to stylize your work consistently, so that it reads more immediately/clearly than realism, and so that you can draw it more quickly.

Of course, I'm not even sure what you mean by "realism." Your dA is empty, and I suspect we might be talking about different things...

My gallery isnt empty,you need to click on browse to see the pictures :P.And what I mean by realism I mean... well you know if you see some one in the street that is realism

realism= realstic = REAL LIFE! (So look around at people thats what style I mean :P)
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby mitchellbravo » August 19th, 2012, 10:02 am

Rouche wrote:My gallery isnt empty,you need to click on browse to see the pictures :P.And what I mean by realism I mean... well you know if you see some one in the street that is realism

realism= realstic = REAL LIFE! (So look around at people thats what style I mean :P)

So you take photos, then?

Otherwise, realism still could mean different things. When you draw, you are picking items and choosing a way to represent them to your audience. Even if something isn't stylized, you still are filtering it through your eyes, your mind, and your hands- it's not an exact replica indistinguishable from the actual person the work is based on.
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby Rouche » August 19th, 2012, 10:07 am

[/quote]
So you take photos, then?

Otherwise, realism still could mean different things. When you draw, you are picking items and choosing a way to represent them to your audience. Even if something isn't stylized, you still are filtering it through your eyes, your mind, and your hands- it's not an exact replica indistinguishable from the actual person the work is based on.[/quote]

I dont take photos :<.And I have no idea about what to say about what you said. ^^; What I ment is that I draw human beings aka.portraits do you understand now? :<
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby eishiya » August 19th, 2012, 10:12 am

Ah, sorry about that! I'm not very fond of dA, so I didn't click around.
All I see in your gallery are heavily anime/manga-influenced works, and one more realistic-ish work. When you draw, try to think of the underlying structure, the proportions, etc. It looks like you're just putting features on the face where you think they'll go, and draw them how you think they look, rather than how they actually should look. Being able to see what's actually there instead of letting your brain fill it in with preconceived notions is an important skill for an artist, and you're young enough that it should be easier for you to acquire that skill than it is for older artists.

What mitchellbravo meant is this, I think: "What people really look like" isn't a style. When you draw it, you inevitably stylize it (a depiction of an object is not that object, it is stylized simply by being depicted) and then you can call that a style. Even a photo is not reality.

In your case, the stylization is even heavier than merely depicting what's there, and I think if you learn to do it consistently, you'll be able to use it for your comics.

Learn the foundations (which are based on reality and are thus easiest to practice with realism), then simplify/exaggerate (stylize) them to fit your story.
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby mitchellbravo » August 19th, 2012, 1:32 pm

eishiya wrote:What mitchellbravo meant is this, I think: "What people really look like" isn't a style. When you draw it, you inevitably stylize it (a depiction of an object is not that object, it is stylized simply by being depicted) and then you can call that a style. Even a photo is not reality.


Thanks, yes, this is what I meant. It's true not just for visual art but other forms of media as well- for instance in journalism, the ideal is to "tell it like it is," but when you write, you pick certain elements to include and place them in a specific order- it's literally impossible to document an objective reality because everyone can look at a string of events and perceive them differently. All you are able to do is document reality as you see it. Invariably the writing is "stylized" whether the intent is there or not, just by virtue of being filtered through one person's point of view.

Sorry to go on at length, but I find reality perceptions kind of a cool topic, lol :)
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby maplebee » August 20th, 2012, 8:23 am

There aren't necessarily a lot of comics here that use realism strictly speaking, but there are a -ton- that use styles other than manga styles.

Stick with whatever style is easiest for you to work with - forcing yourself to use a style you aren't comfortable with swiftly becomes very painful (especially in something that requires as much time and effort as a comic does).

Manga style will attract a particular audience, definitely, but so will realism. Personally I feel you should go with realism if you can do it - there are tons of artists on the manga bandwagon already, and to me it means you have to do a reallyreally good job to distinguish yourself from all of them. Also, it's far easier to sometimes work in a highly stylized manner when you usually do realism than it is to sometimes do realism when you usually work in a highly stylized manner - not matter how stylized anatomy gets it is still based off of real anatomy; real anatomy is never based off of stylized anatomy. Cutting straight to a more cartoony style without enough of a base or frequent return to realism can really be damaging in the long run. (I started out drawing manga style years ago and it has taken me a long long time to return to proper anatomy).
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby Rehab Bunny » August 20th, 2012, 2:00 pm

It should really be stylised or realism.
However, if the main goal is to improve your anatomy, realism may be the way to go before you develop some bad drawing habits.
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby JoKeRcologne » August 20th, 2012, 3:59 pm

Rouche wrote:Im very good for my age at realism.However im horrible at drawing manga.


eishiya wrote:All I see in your gallery are heavily anime/manga-influenced works, and one more realistic-ish work.


@Rouche
Are you sure that you are horrible at drawing manga?
Because the manga fan art looks much better than this single realistic attempt.
Or is it that you did object drawing?
Do this next time for the realistic work ...a photo of a friend or a family member. Put it an the wall/desk/what ever and try to draw it.

eishiya wrote:Learn the foundations (which are based on reality and are thus easiest to practice with realism), then simplify/exaggerate (stylize) them to fit your story.

Best advice in perpetuity ...ever and ever again.
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby Rouche » August 20th, 2012, 4:55 pm

JoKeRcologne wrote:
Rouche wrote:Im very good for my age at realism.However im horrible at drawing manga.


eishiya wrote:All I see in your gallery are heavily anime/manga-influenced works, and one more realistic-ish work.


@Rouche
Are you sure that you are horrible at drawing manga?
Because the manga fan art looks much better than this single realistic attempt.
Or is it that you did object drawing?
Do this next time for the realistic work ...a photo of a friend or a family member. Put it an the wall/desk/what ever and try to draw it.

eishiya wrote:Learn the foundations (which are based on reality and are thus easiest to practice with realism), then simplify/exaggerate (stylize) them to fit your story.

Best advice in perpetuity ...ever and ever again.



I dont actually upload any of my realism.I mostly do realism.I dont really bother when it comes to it to upload my real life drawings.The reason why I put them in browse is beacuse im un happy like I sad earlyer.Manga has ruined my realism porporutions.(The only realism picture in my gallery didnt use a ref so theres no real effort in it at all :< )And I think I found a style.And A way of colouring ~! Thank you for the advice :>
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Re: Manga style or Realism style

Postby eishiya » August 20th, 2012, 5:34 pm

If you want to get good at drawing, you should learn to draw "realism" without any ref. Looks like you still have a long way to go as far as the foundations go, so I think you should focus on learning that instead of worrying about the style you use.
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