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How to give a critique

Postby Guest » May 22nd, 2009, 8:54 am

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Re: How to give a critique

Postby trenton_dawn » May 22nd, 2009, 3:22 pm

If I might add one thing, it's important for a critique-giver to please know what you are talking about. Unfortunately, art classes often teach us to spout important sounding bs--that doesn't really work for a real critique.
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Re: How to give a critique

Postby Jaya Lakshmi » May 22nd, 2009, 7:39 pm

I think a critique should never be freely given, but rather asked for. I always write "awesome" on the strips I like, but nothing on the strips that I find "passe".
Also, a long critique, even if it sounds mean, signifies that your reader sees potential in your work and wants you to make it better.
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Re: How to give a critique

Postby Otto Germain » June 1st, 2009, 3:44 pm

trenton_dawn wrote:If I might add one thing, it's important for a critique-giver to please know what you are talking about. Unfortunately, art classes often teach us to spout important sounding bs--that doesn't really work for a real critique.


Agreed. Also, do not critique their art style based on your own art style... just because it's not how you do it doesn't mean its wrong.
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Re: How to give a critique

Postby TacoTotes » June 10th, 2009, 11:46 am

Otto Germain wrote:
trenton_dawn wrote:If I might add one thing, it's important for a critique-giver to please know what you are talking about. Unfortunately, art classes often teach us to spout important sounding bs--that doesn't really work for a real critique.


Agreed. Also, do not critique their art style based on your own art style... just because it's not how you do it doesn't mean its wrong.


This is totally true! Though there is a difference between using a style and still needing improvement. People who have their own style should be proud of that, but they shouldn't close themselves out from an otherwise helpful critique. The biggest mistake I see with stylization is anatomy. Flowing limbs can be very elegant and look great, but if the rest of the body is not in proportion it could look very frightening.
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Re: How to give a critique

Postby naejembocaj » June 16th, 2009, 12:46 am

Maybe I'll end up saying more than "hai u haz gr8 artworkz" now. I really fail at giving any helpful advice or anything of the sort. This helps a lot.
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Re: How to give a critique

Postby Anokorok » June 30th, 2009, 7:04 pm

I find telling someone to use a reference is non-constructive. If the person is already using a reference it sounds rather condescending. Artists who are serious about improving (i.e. asking for critique) know to turn to references when something is wrong.
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Re: How to give a critique

Postby Vinuu » June 30th, 2009, 7:08 pm

i hate
people who say
FIRST POST

as if anyone would appreciate that
especially the people who dont go and add stuff to their comment later
I've managed to get first post on popular artists stuff by posting a proper comment, talking about what I like about the piece instead of sayin FIRST PoSTZ WOOT!!1
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Re: How to give a critique

Postby Gibson Twist » August 1st, 2009, 12:10 am

I'm tempted to do a full critique of your examination of critique, but I don't feel like spending the time. Instead, I'll point out that your examples of non-constructive criticism are not criticisms at all, just declarative statements. Non-constructive criticism is pointing out flaws in the work without offering advice on how to fix it or avoid it in future. Honestly, the advice you're giving here seems pretty case-specific. This thing reads like a snippy response to a harsh review of your work that you're masking as a piece of general advice. Even if it's not, that's how it reads.

Also, there's no such word as 'uncomfortamble'. I know this is a typo, that doesn't make it better. When you're checking for "correct grammar", you should check for spelling as well.
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Re: How to give a critique

Postby Queerious Toast » August 1st, 2009, 2:30 am

Gibson Twist wrote:I'm tempted to do a full critique of your examination of critique, but I don't feel like spending the time. Instead, I'll point out that your examples of non-constructive criticism are not criticisms at all, just declarative statements. Non-constructive criticism is pointing out flaws in the work without offering advice on how to fix it or avoid it in future. Honestly, the advice you're giving here seems pretty case-specific. This thing reads like a snippy response to a harsh review of your work that you're masking as a piece of general advice. Even if it's not, that's how it reads.

Also, there's no such word as 'uncomfortamble'. I know this is a typo, that doesn't make it better. When you're checking for "correct grammar", you should check for spelling as well.


Thanks for pointing those out. I'm actually planning on making a revised version of this "tutorial" but I've been pretty busy. It would be interesting to see your critique on this tutorial, but I don't want to waste your time. Thanks again.
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Re: How to give a critique

Postby Kristen Gudsnuk » September 16th, 2009, 10:50 am

Vinuu wrote:i hate
people who say
FIRST POST


although it's kind of funny when that's the only comment....


I think style IS something you can critique. If it bothers you that the artist draws hands really, really long, (as a completely inane example) point it out. Style is a fluid thing, and it should keep evolving. The artist can feel free to ignore your analysis of his or her style, anyway. But if it's disrupting your enjoyment of the work, the artist should know.

For me, I don't really like it when people are like, "great art"- it's kind of thoughtless. I prefer a "the arm looks awkward in panel 3" any day, because at least I can keep an eye out for awkward arms in the future.
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Re: How to give a critique

Postby TacoTotes » September 16th, 2009, 1:35 pm

Kristen Gudsnuk wrote:
Vinuu wrote:i hate
people who say
FIRST POST


although it's kind of funny when that's the only comment....


I think style IS something you can critique. If it bothers you that the artist draws hands really, really long, (as a completely inane example) point it out. Style is a fluid thing, and it should keep evolving. The artist can feel free to ignore your analysis of his or her style, anyway. But if it's disrupting your enjoyment of the work, the artist should know.

For me, I don't really like it when people are like, "great art"- it's kind of thoughtless. I prefer a "the arm looks awkward in panel 3" any day, because at least I can keep an eye out for awkward arms in the future.


You could critique on style, and sometimes it is helpful, especially if it has to do with anatomy. However, going to a manga-inspired comic and telling them the eyes are far too big, may result in you being flamed by the author and their minions.

I definitely prefer constructive criticism, positive or negative, it's really the only way I know how I'm doing.
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Re: How to give a critique

Postby Cropcircledesigner » September 20th, 2009, 6:17 am

Vinuu wrote:i hate
people who say
FIRST POST

as if anyone would appreciate that
especially the people who dont go and add stuff to their comment later
I've managed to get first post on popular artists stuff by posting a proper comment, talking about what I like about the piece instead of sayin FIRST PoSTZ WOOT!!1


Ugh, agreed. You might as well say "You are famous and I am fast, loooool", it's the same level of idiocy.


About this tutorial:
I don't think the example about vivid colours accentuating the mood is constructive criticism, since it's just a more elaborated way of saying "AWESOME" xD It's a nice thing to say, but shouldn't be confused with constructive crits (like you said in the tutorial). And if you're uncomfortable with a style, I think you can tell the artist. If he/she draws super-tiny limbs and huge heads (like I do, lol), and you think this looks a bit awkward, they should be able to take that much.
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Re: How to give a critique

Postby Gibson Twist » September 25th, 2009, 9:21 am

Kristen Gudsnuk wrote:
Vinuu wrote:i hate
people who say
FIRST POST


although it's kind of funny when that's the only comment....


I'll be completely honest, whenever someone posts "First!" without leaving a more substantive comment, I delete the post. The irony is so sweet I could put it in coffee. I just wish I could see the looks on their face if they ever return to that page.
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Re: How to give a critique

Postby stripedwine » September 26th, 2009, 12:11 pm

Cropcircledesigner wrote:
Vinuu wrote:i hate
people who say
FIRST POST

as if anyone would appreciate that
especially the people who dont go and add stuff to their comment later
I've managed to get first post on popular artists stuff by posting a proper comment, talking about what I like about the piece instead of sayin FIRST PoSTZ WOOT!!1


Ugh, agreed. You might as well say "You are famous and I am fast, loooool", it's the same level of idiocy.


About this tutorial:
I don't think the example about vivid colours accentuating the mood is constructive criticism, since it's just a more elaborated way of saying "AWESOME" xD It's a nice thing to say, but shouldn't be confused with constructive crits (like you said in the tutorial). And if you're uncomfortable with a style, I think you can tell the artist. If he/she draws super-tiny limbs and huge heads (like I do, lol), and you think this looks a bit awkward, they should be able to take that much.


I had a painting teacher 2 years ago that basically said that style is almost irrelevant... it just has to play by its own rules and it has to work with itself. And given the context of visual storytelling, the style should fit the story as well, and should be a means to an end in a sense. Though I guess a lot of people that draw manga just do it cause they're trying to emulate their favorite mangagakaka or whatever, and I'm not educated enough on the subject to illustrate the subtle differences in style that I'm pretty sure (read: hoping) is present in the genre.
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