The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby Captain Ghost » December 26th, 2016, 2:46 pm

Woahhh, I love it! I remember being hesitant when we initially transferred over the the old one (that grew on me pretty quick though), but this one I welcome with open arms. Looks sleek. Thanks, Admin/Dan!

I dig the notifications feature a lot!
My first experience with the revamp was on my phone, and I like the foldout news/forums tabs -- kind of puts them in the public's eye a little more than it used to be, maybe.

-I'm... half n half about the spotlight headers rotating through different comics. On the one hand it's neat and focuses a bit of attention on seeing if you can spot anything new. On the other hand I'm mostly curious, I guess, to know how it decides which spotlight comics to sort through O:
-Is the whole 'comics with no cover page don't show up' thing still happening? Or are they being defaulted to the blank white covers I've seen around here n there? Again, just curious. I like it this way, though.
-Finally, am also wondering about how long it takes for your comic to be stuck on 'hiatus' mode and how quick you can potentially come out of it.... well. I guess I can find that out easily enough hahahah... Actually I'm pretty hyped to get working on stuff again to get rid of that lmao.

The biggest thing for me, however:
I definitely echo the others about the 'recent' comics being stuck wayyyy at the bottom.. I'd love to see them up underneath the big shiny spotlight headers. Spotlight/popular/rising star comics have had a tendency to stick around for a little bit, while 'recently updated' gives you a -much- shorter window, and so should get at least what short time in the 'limelight' it can grab.

Will also second Oly in feeling that the 20 per page (actually on mine it was 40... which automatically jumped down to 30 after I brought my browser zoom up to 150%) feels like a fair bit of a scroll. Not that huge a deal again, merely an initial impression.


Just my take on it, anyway!
Again, thank you!
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby Eloim_Meth » December 26th, 2016, 3:49 pm

kcspice wrote:I applaud everyone involved with this redesign!
So far, the only thing I'd like to see return is the fan count to be publicly viewable. It's kinda sad seeing my older projects with 200+ fans only viewable have 20 readers, a literal 1/10th of what it was

yes please!!!Same thing for me, and also i would like to be able to view each reader's profile!:((
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby popcornxing » December 26th, 2016, 4:01 pm

eishiya wrote:
popcornxing wrote:I don't think I ever posted on the forums before if I did it had to be a long time ago. But I just wanted to say that I was looking forward to how this update was going to look. I actually do enjoy it, I saw it on my phone this morning.

I like how you guys have added the update schedule and the haitus on comics that haven't updated. Also did you guys get rid of dead accounts? looks like you had. lucky I still log in to read. ^-^

How long does it take for a comic to go into Haitus? figure I would ask since I'm slow to update my own.

but great job on the new layout!

Dead accounts weren't deleted. If you think that because the readership count is lower than your old fav count, that has nothing to do with accounts being deleted, the readership count is a different metric from fan count, it counts the people who actually return to read your comic.


I suppose that's kind of it, but then again I forgot how many people actually favorite or read my comics ( I knew a general round about number but not the actual number). I normal just post and leave. but I do read some comics on here once in a while. I really don't know the readership vs favorites sadly. But it's good to know, I think part of me was wondering if I would be missing my account if I didn't log within a certain amount of time, after all I'm terribly slow to update, and I'm a worst reader cause I come back and just binge read.

thank you so much for clearing that up!
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby FUTURE10S » December 26th, 2016, 4:19 pm

eishiya wrote:
popcornxing wrote:I don't think I ever posted on the forums before if I did it had to be a long time ago. But I just wanted to say that I was looking forward to how this update was going to look. I actually do enjoy it, I saw it on my phone this morning.

I like how you guys have added the update schedule and the haitus on comics that haven't updated. Also did you guys get rid of dead accounts? looks like you had. lucky I still log in to read. ^-^

How long does it take for a comic to go into Haitus? figure I would ask since I'm slow to update my own.

but great job on the new layout!

Dead accounts weren't deleted. If you think that because the readership count is lower than your old fav count, that has nothing to do with accounts being deleted, the readership count is a different metric from fan count, it counts the people who actually return to read your comic.


How does readership even get counted?
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby eishiya » December 26th, 2016, 5:39 pm

FUTURE10S wrote:
eishiya wrote:
popcornxing wrote:I don't think I ever posted on the forums before if I did it had to be a long time ago. But I just wanted to say that I was looking forward to how this update was going to look. I actually do enjoy it, I saw it on my phone this morning.

I like how you guys have added the update schedule and the haitus on comics that haven't updated. Also did you guys get rid of dead accounts? looks like you had. lucky I still log in to read. ^-^

How long does it take for a comic to go into Haitus? figure I would ask since I'm slow to update my own.

but great job on the new layout!

Dead accounts weren't deleted. If you think that because the readership count is lower than your old fav count, that has nothing to do with accounts being deleted, the readership count is a different metric from fan count, it counts the people who actually return to read your comic.


How does readership even get counted?

I don't know the exact calculation, but the gist is it looks at how many people (as determined by SJ account for logged-in users, probably IP for guests) have visited the comic on separate occasions over the past month (or however long). A reader is someone who visited more than once. So, a comic that's visited by 5 people once each over the course of a month has 0 readers, and a comic visited by 1 person 5 times has 1 reader.
This is a much better indication of a comic's readership than favs since it doesn't include users who aren't actually reading the comic (such as bots and people too lazy/timid to unfav) and includes people who aren't SJ members. At least, it does for comics that are active. I am not sure how SJ handles comics that are no longer updating or update less than once a month. Hopefully it does something smart.
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby kevansevans » December 26th, 2016, 6:11 pm

I like it. Good job.
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby mitchellbravo » December 26th, 2016, 6:22 pm

I've waited to say anything until I had some time to peek around a little bit after the holiday was over. Overall I am very very pleased with it, I just need to get my butt in gear and get a cover page done :) There are a few things other folks have mentioned that I think could be tweaked (I'd love for the subscribers list to be viewable to comic creators. I'm not sad to see the fan count go- I don't think it was accurate, I have 96 sj subscirbers and I want to say somewhere between 80-90 of them are users who don't come by anymore or who have more or less abandoned the site. I understand why folks with high fan count are disappointed, but I feel like as far as readership goes, the fan count was more like how many people in middle school wore your campaign sticker when you were running for class president vs. how many people were actually your friends? i.e. just a popularity token without real meaning behind it?) but on the whole I'm enjoying the new layout.

Oh and the thing about the recently updated comics being so far down at the bottom of the page. It makes it so that folks who update regularly but don't have a new/"hot & upcoming" comic or spotlit comic (perhaps have been working on it for months/years) kind of get the short end of the stick. I think the majority of us here have comics that fall into that category and it would be appreciated for us to have a little more of a fighting chance at getting picked up on that brief glow of the front page :)


Also I love the way favorite comics are displayed on users' profiles now.
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby Offin » December 27th, 2016, 1:37 am

The new site is AWESOME! It really surprised me when I logged on after the holidays- holy crap!

I love the modern new look-- the old layout was a tad outdated, and I think this one is definitely a huge step in a wonderful new direction.

Great work everyone! :)
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby PDoogan » December 27th, 2016, 9:41 am

Digging the new redesign. Definitely an improvement. Two minor questions though:

1. The "users who favortied this comic" list seems to have disappeared. Is that in a new location I'm not aware of, or is it gone completely? I liked to use that list when I get a new fan so I could glance at their user page in order to see what kind of audience I'm appealing to.

2. Since about a week before the redesign, I noticed the stats graph completely flips out when I mouse over it.
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I'm not even sure if this is related to the update. It only seems to happen on my laptop and I don't know if anyone else has had this issue, but i thought I'd mention it since I only post here one ever 3 years or so :P
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby HVoice » December 27th, 2016, 2:39 pm

I'm really happy with this new layout. I always thought the old website looked kind of dated.
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby Royle McCulloch » December 27th, 2016, 4:40 pm

The only complaint I have is that it doesn't show the number of fans on the comic profile anymore. Least as far as I can see.
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby Pleaki » December 27th, 2016, 4:58 pm

I was looking forward to this update and I'm honestly lovin it for the most-part.

My only complaint so far is that I can't seem to find the list of WHO is subscribed to my comic? I always like checking out the profiles of people who add my comic to their favorites in case they have interesting content themselves, so I feel I'm missing out on that. (Unless I just can't find it????)
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby Quadrant » December 27th, 2016, 6:12 pm

It looks a lot cleaner and modern. It'll take some getting used to but it's a nice thing. I do love the notification system. Allows me to turn off email notifications more and use the site ones to keep my email inbox less cluttered. As long as it also seems more responsive. There are little changes I can offer to add other than adding a 'content information' box. I know the tagging system also provides stuff but it'll seem easier and that to see for adult content warnings and advised age ratings. As it stands having the mature warning system turned off means there is no way of knowing if a comic is mature or not, unless the author has decided to put it in the description. The mature checkbox could be replaced with a droplist that follows whatever rating system is in place where the site is based. Sorta "Universal, Parental Guidance, 12+, 15+, 18+, etc." Alongside checkboxes for mature themes such as violence, drugs, sexual themes, discrimination, etc.

I'm a bit curious about the "Hidden on Smack Jeeves:" Does that mean the comic will only be available for those who have the URL to said comic?

About the readers. Is that how many people have actually favourited the comic, or how many IPs are logged as regular clicks or what?
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby eishiya » December 27th, 2016, 6:23 pm

Quadrant wrote:I'm a bit curious about the "Hidden on Smack Jeeves:" Does that mean the comic will only be available for those who have the URL to said comic?

About the readers. Is that how many people have actually favourited the comic, or how many IPs are logged as regular clicks or what?

"Hidden on Smack Jeeves" is an old feature. You're correct, the comic's visible to people who have the URL (of the comic, or of the profile), but doesn't show up when you search/browse SJ.

I explained how "readers" works a few posts above. In short, it's people who have returned to the comic over the past month-ish and includes both SJ users and guests.
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Re: The Next Generation of Butlers Is Here

Postby shortygul » December 27th, 2016, 9:30 pm

Love the new site. Great job. Thanks for doing it. :D
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