Yamataro wrote: JCM wrote:
Sorry for the double post, but I thought you guys might have wanted to know what Dan himself's opinion of sprite comics was.
The thing about sprite comics, for the most part, it's really, largely, kind of a community based thing. Sprite comics tend to be made by 12 and 13 year old boys, and that's not always the case, but something about it. Kids just really like making comics with sprite characters and it's kind of a way for them to connect over the internet and a lot of times that's actually the section of the site that gives me the most trouble when it comes to the babysitting aspect. But most of the time, I think it's probably not a bad creative outlet for kids. And they're not known for being the most artistically developed comics, but whatever, they're having fun doing their own thing so I'm completely fine with it.
I'm going to have to disagree with Dan. Not all of us are 12 and 13 years old. Most of the spriters I know and hang with are 16 and up. I myself am turning 18 in a week. Sure, I enjoy what I do. Sometimes, I feel really lazy and sprite comics. But, my sprites are not recolors. The only "Recolor" I own is more of a simple edit then a recolor. And this right here...
I avoid sprite comics these days, because if you click on a spriters profile it turns out they have 40 bajillion author collaborations, all of which are shit.
Yes. I am generalizing all sprite author insert collaborations as crap, but they are crap.
Is udder BS. I've joined some pretty bad collab comics. I don't do it cause they are/aren't crap. In fact, I know I've joined a couple that were absolute BS. The reason an author joins the collab comics is for 3 reasons. 1) Get out ideas or jokes that they cannot display in their own comic, 2) To make friends, and 3) To get away from the presure of one comic. I did it for all those reasons. If you don't like the collab comics, then don't read them. Don't judge an author because he/she joins a shitty author comic. If you do that, your more of a moron than I at first thought.
I hate getting involved with these threads, but perhaps I can offer some clarification.
Dan stated that Sprite comics tend
to be made by younger kids, and this is fairly true. Yes there are certainly bound to be people who are older, such as yourself, but what he was saying was simply that a younger demographic generally gravitates towards sprites more than an older one.
I think the issue with Author collabs, and perhaps this is or isn't why Gun21 avoids them, is that when you join so many collaborations you become lost in a sea of other users, and your work is spread very thinly. When I open up a user profile, it's generally because I have seen some great artwork, or read a comic that I enjoyed by that user, and want to see more. When I open up a profile that is full of collaborations (and this isn't limited to Spriters, some manga artists fall prey to the same issue), I suddenly have no idea where to find new pieces. Sure I could trudge through all of your author collabs, but then I'm seeing mostly other people's work; and this is such a time-consuming process. Not to mention that when you cast your net over so many comics and collaborations, you can't honestly expect your artwork and humour to be a very high grade through them all. So then I'm stuck trying to find either your regular comic (which often isn't easy among a vast array of collab banners), or the collaboration in which the user puts the most effort into; because inevitably there are collabs they spend a lot of time with, and collabs they do not.
You also have to remember that when you are faced with a wall of banners you can quickly become overwhelmed. Which one is good? Which one is bad? Which one does the author post to regularly? This in itself can push visitors away.
For a lot of people seeing a page full of sprites is just not appealing, period. It's just like a page of Yaoi or a page of Game jokes; some people just don't like that stuff. But those people that can stomach sprites don't get much help from spriters. In fact, spriters seem to not want to make it easy to find their work. Having to put in a massive effort just to find an artists work is for most people far too much bother.
Sprite collabs are not inherently a bad thing, but when you join 30 collaborations and run several comics it is hard to imagine that the quality will be at all good. Sure, some people might be able to pull this off, but for the most part it's not exactly common. In addition, having to work through pages and pages of other people's work just to view the work of the author you came for is often too much effort. Part of the trick with any website/promotion etc., is keeping visitors interested; but making a user jump through so many hoops can be a very real turn off.