desideraht wrote:Except that atheism is not learned/taught. It is a lack of a belief, not a belief in itself. The fact is that atheism is not about "making a choice," it is about not participating in faith. You don't have to be smart to reject religion. You also don't have to be smart to be part of religion.Molly-sama wrote:Also, desideraht, saying that one is "brainwashed since birth" to be a Christian is the same as saying one was to be an aetheist (or anything else) as well, from birth or otherwise and implies that the person isn't intelligent enough to make their own decisions. Please choose your words more carefully.
Sorry about the derailment, Kairin Touzen /off topic
I think everyone is nitpicking my post too much. People OBVIOUSLY guilt/shame the OP. That is VERY clear from her post. So the particular "flavor" of Catholicism she is dealing with is how I described. Defending your "own" Catholicism is selfish and has nothing to do with her situation. I can't really think of a more reasonable way to say this.
Atheism being "not learned/taught" as a lack of faith is the reverse argument of saying religion is not learned or taught but just part of having faith. You can learn about the religion or on the flip side about why you don't like religion, but neither are a requirement.
Except that the first half of your initial post and your subsequent argument with Cave was about Catholicism in general, not the OP's experience. Either way, the point of my post was that your words initially were very broad with stereotypical ideas about the Catholic church and that they could offend people (I personally don't care - I posted in my own experience to, apparently in vain, soften the argument), so you should probably just choose your words a bit more carefully in the future.
But this is not the point of the thread, nor does it help the OP. Again, apologies for the derailment, and should you wish to argue further with me or with Cave, please let's just keep it to a PM, eh?