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Yay! Congratulations for making that milestone!

I'm also impressed that you had marked this day from the beginning. Such a beautiful mix of careful planning and spontaneous exuberance.

(And FieryAnimated, of course pussy is not amused. Cats make that kind of milestone every week or so - 100th nap, 100th walk around, 100th scratch on the furniture - you name it. Not that it makes Lady Rori's achievement any less worthy, mind.)
Wow. I don't know what is most amazing, the husband's dedication or the cuteness of the retelling. (On second thoughts, I'd say the husband's, but I'm one too and it may skew my perspective.)

I'll note that he waited until this strip wasn't on front page to let his readers know about the new comic. Dedicated and modest.

Also, the site's look is innovative in a fine way. (Except I use windows that make the foreground objects obscure a little too much of the strip, but that's me.)
First: Michelle, don't call Christo an asshole for making the distinction. It's not like you haven't been yelling at him once or twice in the past. (Before the current events, of course.)

Second: although I understand how Christo might be pissed at his desire not being enough for Michelle, I also see how her own insecurities ( ) would make her want more desire from others.

Third: she's just beautiful. And he's great, too. Awesome page.

Fourth: "what were they screaming at each other for all that time?" And then you'll complain <expression="innocent"> some of us overthink this comic</expression>. My take on it (yes, I must have one) is that what she said is not necessarily something easy to say, let alone when you see the other one ready to yell. Besides, that wasn't the main point of their fight ( ). At some point when people in love fight, it can pretty much happen that nothing the other says even matters, it's just a yelling match. (And sometimes it happens that it dies down because someone has said just the right thing, but if that happens to you, consider yourself blessed.)

As for the incentive ... Yeah. Why hello. Wow.

(TGCG: what do you mean about Sam? I don't see his involvement in this part of the story, could you elaborate?)

Oh and Kotire, you've just been back and PoY's number 46 now on TWC! How do you do it?
Kotire being apparently busy on the other side of the Rainbow Bridge, I presume to usurp his place long enough to pat us all on the back for bringing Pictures of You up to number 47 on TopWebComics.

Not quite solidly (number 48 is just one vote behind as of now, so by the time anyone else reads this it may be wrong), but it was already there on Saturday when I last voted.
Aww, when I saw the first panel I wanted so badly to see the page end with yet another hug. (Mr. Twist, I blame your "If you think this is bad, just wait until ..." comment last page. And of course, my general lack of skill at predicting what happens next.)

But this is still promising. The mere fact that Michelle took the time to wait for Christo - I just hope he realizes that.

youngcannibals: are you referring to the red brick building look of Hell's Kitchen in Daredevil, or something else?

Oh, and I did the civic thing again, and indeed this is cute, even for a decided non-fan of boy-to-boy romance.
Melanie's face is inexplicably beautiful in that fifth panel.

And Patrick just got much more likeable to me. Thanks for the relief.
SuperBiasedMan: I assume Dia Duit means "Hello". Dia Gouit? C'est ça ?

In the novel, the narrator and main character meets that girl named Aoirghe and dislikes her manner instantly, because of her militantly nationalist attitude while he's more of a "peace to everyone, even the English" guy, despite bouts of violence. He also informs the reader that her name is pronounced roughly like a cough (not that far from what you're proposing), and sure enough, the next time they meet he is wracked with a long fit of cough right when he should shake her hand. And not even on purpose.

(Robert McLiam Wilson writes it much better than I do. Go on, people, read that book on Tuesdays, Thursdays and weekends.)
Kotire, I thought it was just that the phone had been hung up on the other side and Melanie just couldn't make the gesture to hang up here.

Maybe it was Mr. Hogan delivering a lecture, in which case, well, he's being an ass.

Oh, and I've always liked Kara too. Not her fault that Peter fell for her at first sight. And of course, Patrick hates her, so the Patrick-fan crowd may have been slanted against her.

(SuperBiasedMan, I'm beginning to think we should make a Worldwide Pictures of You Fan Club or something, with a big map of the planet and a special color for the countries where PoY fans live. And I can't for the life of me even pronounce "Hello" in Irish, so forgive me if I don't try. I remember being pretty stumped by the pronunciation of the name Aoirghe in "Eureka Street" - great book by the wat, highly recommended.)
Psity, gracias por la corrección. (Wiping my brow before definitely switching to English) In my further defense, I was using the formal third person - I'm a formal sort of fellow. Oh, and a word to the wise - I'm not Mr. Twist.

(And Spanish shouldn't be so tricky to a native French. However, I only learned it during my studies and that was fifteen years ago.)

I thought there were PoY fans all over the world, and I'm glad to see it confirmed.
¡Bienvenido, amigo musico!

Comenta de nueve quando quiere. Su ingles es muy bastante para nosotros - mejor que mi español, en cualquier caso.

(With awesome luck, the above should mean: "Welcome, musician friend! Comment again when you want. Your English is quite enough for us - better than my Spanish anyway.")
Ow. All right, I'd better back down again and this time get it right. So: apologies again to any people I've offended, hurt or otherwise distressed. It's been yet another busy weekend and the "live through it" remark shouldn't have been written. I've edited the above comment to make it clear. (As a side note, that's what I get when trying for conciseness. I have to keep trying, but hopefully on less controversial topics.)

Mr. Twist, I told my wife about the analogy after writing it and she made the exact same criticism about calling the child broken. If two smart people get my point wrong, it's that I didn't put it right. I meant to compare *playing* the guitar to *the situation of raising* the child. In both cases, you can only try for the best while knowing you'll get it wrong all too often. And I said "having to play", which leaves out any notion of choice for the guitarist. I don't know, assume your life, your honor, your self-respect or what have you is at stake so you have to play *right*now* on this guitar someone just lent you and you slowly realize how broken it is while already playing it. (Just trying desperately to make it clear.)

I like your keyboard analogy, and your comparison to priests, cops and soldiers. And I fully agree that there are absolute wrongs that take no expert to reckon. Quite true. I still think that there are situations in which criticizing a parent comes much easier if you have never been one, and I should have put it that way from the beginning. (Anyone who thinks otherwise, fine. Let's agree to disagree for now.)

Now, the long links aren't what make my posts long, but they don't help either. I only mentioned that because the site is about to undergo changes and that would be one I would like.

I'm no keeper of knowledge. Just trying to make sure what I thought I remembered was valid, and keeping the reference handy in case I have to argue the point. I don't have a clearer vision than anyone. Just a big mouth about it. And when we argued about some of the Snapshot artists' graphical choices, you didn't come across as offended and I don't see how I came across then as having a clearer vision than anyone.

I agree that this has gone on too long and have been writing this just to indicate there might be more to this commenter than a sanctimonious, condescending, foolish asshole. I repeat my apologies. And people, next time I get something wrong (be it character names, past events, future events, real-world physics, historical facts, mathematical axioms or what have you), feel free to point it out. Thanks.
Redcrow: I hope I didn't ask the question rudely. I sure did it defensively.

And truly, the same way you don't have to be a virtuoso to know when someone plays off-key, you don't have to be a father to know when one makes mistakes.


But there are certain children - not all of them, thankfully - with whom you don't have a choice between doing the right thing and doing the wrong thing. You can only choose between a set of mistakes. It's something I never realized before having children of my own.

I've been where you are, and sure enough I've heaped criticism on my parents. (Come to think of it, I did it quite rudely at times, and my brothers were even worse.)

To take up the above analogy again, raising certain children is akin to having to play a guitar in which the strings are all out of tune, the pegheads do not keep the same note from a minute to the next and the frets are all misplaced.

Can you imagine that? And can you imagine someone calling you stupid and inept because you didn't play the music right?

Now tell me: wouldn't your first reaction be to thrust the guitar into the critic's hands and suggest they try it? Maybe even a little defensively and rudely?

reidavidson, you are welcome to PM me that this post or any other should be edited or deleted. I'm far less defensive about my writing than about my parenting.
Still unable to completely shut up ...

Redcrow: he's a good dad.
1) He accepts his daughter's boyfriend with open arms.
2) He supports his son financially, complete with a separate apartment large enough to throw parties, despite strongly disagreeing with his way of life.
3) He mellows out to Patrick as soon as he hears what he hopes to.

All right, so I was being provocative: he isn't a good dad. He's wrong on a lot of things, and he thinks too much he knows best. And he should probably have gotten off his ass and helped Karen with that Christmas meal. But you can't make a list of the wrongs one person has done and judge him solely on them. Or else we're all doomed.

(And he isn't managing Melanie's intimate affairs, he's proposing help to mend a relationship he - mistakenly - thinks is good for Melanie.)

LeyLegbreaker: we're all doing so, but I see no issue in pointing out why the webcomic cannot match someone's interpretation. And vice versa, of course.
All right, it seems that Mr. Hogan's character struck a little too close to home with me. Apologies to any annoyed, irritated, irked or intimidated. (And, of course, to Mr. Twist for spreading such an awfully large stain on the comments.)

I've trimmed the thing down, to what is still a very large size. Maybe I should have summed it up with "Who among you is a father? Raise your hands? The rest of you, please live through it before passing judgment", but though I revere wit, I'm trying for accuracy.

EDIT: And I agree with the reactions below that I shouldn't have even written this "live through it" sentence. It was a gross exaggeration.

I'm afraid I will keep posting larger than average comments, simply because I feel there is much to be told. (And if there were a way to make links shorter, like printing only something like "http://pictu..." instead of the whole address, my habit of posting links to the pages that make my points would not make my posts so long.) But I'll also try to watch it. Honest.
First, I'm annoyed at myself for seeing Melanie's face and thinking "Her face is healing, at least a few days have passed" before anything else. Not "Good, she's healing" or "Nice to see she doesn't seem to have permanent marks". A time indication. What am I, a fanboy?

Second, do I have to state again that this is beautifully rendered? Let's assume I do. This is beautifully rendered. Oh, that hand on panel 8. More on Mr. Twist's art of ambiguity below.

AJ_189, Murohshei, Hornet, Laura, Tracy Smith and all of us heaping burning coals on Mr. Hogan's head: remember, the last time someone was condemned for being judgmental (the irony of which being apparently lost on most people), it turned out the "judgmental" person did the right thing (or did something right at least) and another, thus far cooler guy turned out to be the harshest one. (And of course, Peter and Andy have been pretty judgmental at Devon thereafter, but for some reason no one minded. Not even me.)

SuperBiasedMan, you do indeed make an excellent point. I'm with pretty much everyone about Mr. Hogan being wrong about a lot of things, but I'd think twice before condemning him too harshly.

*This is my defense of Mr. Hogan.*
I'll readily agree that he treats Patrick awfully harshly, and exceedingly so (his chiding for rudeness in is pure and simple bullying, that much I'll admit, and the proof is in how he treats Devon in . Arguably, a father does not enforce rules as strongly on other people as he does on his children; still, the difference of treatment is pretty much staggering ).

However, he does have a point ( ) that Patrick has no direction ; Peter even notes that in . Also, for all his bossing him around, he does not force one line of work on his son; he only urges him to choose one. Furthermore, he's been supporting Patrick's music at some point - a bass guitar is expensive stuff and we have yet to see Patrick do real work to earn money. Yet the various experiences over the years may have made the bands a dubious pursuit to Mr. Hogan. (See Andy's war stories in and .)

Not to mention that, based on , it seems that Patrick has run into a lot of trouble in his early life, and believe me, this does nothing to ease relationships between a father and a son. So if things are sour between Patrick and his dad, I wouldn't heap all the blame on the elder man's head.

Now about Melanie; she seems a bit more submissive to him (see how she brings up her parents about her own choices in and ) so we may assume he has no qualms about her working as a waitress. Not meaning any disrespect to waiters and waitresses everywhere, of course.

Based on what we've seen so far, Mr. Hogan's worst sin is, therefore, his inability to see how wrong Devon was for Melanie. In which he was not alone - even Patrick, who hated Devon with a passion, didn't remotely envision that he could beat Melanie. (Or else he'd have insisted on going along in .) So no, Mr. Hogan, who has presumably seen nothing but Devon's more agreeable side, cannot even imagine he would hurt Melanie physically. When she says "he hurt me", he has every right to understand he's hurt her feelings with a clumsy, snapping remark. Which is, of course, no real cause for running away and breaking up if you're going to be a long-term couple. A parent knows this, a twentysomething not necessarily.

Note that Melanie makes no strong effort to explain herself either. I'm not saying she should; rather, I'm praising again Mr. Twist's writing ability for making her unclearness believable. I intended to do a point-by-point show of how Melanie is lying and avoiding the full truth, but it really ran too long. Actually, the simplest thing would be to come home with her ruined face. She doesn't.

It may well be that she's afraid that her father will side with Devon anyway. It might be so. (And if it is, I'll be roaring with the rest of you.) But nothing here allows us to accuse Mr. Hogan of being such an awful father.

And anyway, even should you find him guilty in the end, do ponder the penalty with moderation. We have a man here, whose daughter has told him she needs to be safe - and doesn't go to him for protection. What more punishment would you need to apply? He isn't in Dad Hell yet, but he sure is close to the gates.

A few more points:
AJ_189 and Murohshei: I'd love Mr. Hogan to be the worst father ever. Think about it. No child molesters, no infanticide, no drug dealers using their kids as couriers, no forced child labor ... Now pretty please, do grow up before saying that and twisting words.

Hornet: do you have a daughter? I do. If she was avoiding the house for days and called to talk, the last thing I'd do would be to come to her. Because if she's avoiding the house, she's avoiding me. I would certainly ask if she wanted me to come to her - just in case she's avoiding someone else in our building, or somesuch - but if she said no I'd leave her alone like she asks. And Devon isn't wormtonguing his way into the Hogan family. Peter has seen to that.

Guest: we don't know that he's a bad dad. He isn't good, and he's failing badly with Patrick, but we don't know the whole story and I showed above how his abuse may be based on genuine concern.
All right, I did the civic stuff again (vote early, vote often!)

I agree with you, Gypsy Queen (welcome to the talking club!). I thought Patrick's relationship with Andy and Mulligan who enjoy annoying the hell out of him on a regular basis was an example, but maybe there's more.

Then again, if there were, Andy might have mentioned it in .

But I don't think you're over-thinking it. (All right, so that would be the pot calling the kettle gray.)

Laura: borderline homophobic? Come on. One may glare at a homosexual man without being even remotely homophobic, you know. (After all, one assumes even homosexual people have to glare at other homosexual people on occasion.)
I'll admit I hadn't thought of Patrick paying his own part, but the pictures remains ambiguous. (Someone around here is one crafty devil.) If he had left money on the table and Alexander had not held out his hand, there would have been no issue. As it is, though, some of us are wondering and Andy may be too.

reidavidson, plenty of interesting things I agree with in your comment. Still, if Alex is just stifled by his inadequate language, he must know that his mere presence may help. Instead of which, he sits there while Patrick rages on. That isn't enough to make him uncaring, but he sure is calm.
darkamnios, excellent point about the last panel. To further it, I'll note that Alexander has been hanging out with Melanie much more than Patrick since last Christmas (given that Kara hung out with her even when she was out with Devon, and apparently always brought him along since, and had introduced him at Patrick's non-Christmas party in ).

Anotheryaoifreak, if you're still there, dont blast Murohshei. (And if you're not, come back at once! Patrick is kissing Alexander on-panel!)
Guest818: interesting thought; I proffered the same idea about Andy and Melanie in . Time will tell - though apparently in the present Andy is with neither.

One point against your theory is that he managed to keep his cool on seeing Alexander at Patrick's place in through , while when he saw Melanie's ruined face he snapped for the first time in the whole story. It isn't a very strong point because it's about two different kinds of events, but it's still there.

LeyLegbreaker, I don't think it's just uneasiness. Uneasiness wouldn't prompt that last dark look at the end of the page.

On a side note, it's interesting how we jump at every bit of hint to future cracks in the friendships. Enjoy the ongoing tease, Mr. Twist.

(Oh, and Patrick's letter is excellently awful. I wonder if the government guys who receive this - assuming he isn't just thinking it up in his head while watching a table tennis match video or something - hold a "Best of" list. "Hey, that Hogan guy wrote to us again!" "Yay! Wait for me before opening the letter!" "Read it aloud again! That guy cracks me up every time!")